ROUBINI SUL FINANCIAL TIME AVVISA: EUROPA PRONTA ALLA SPACCATURA!
L'APPROCCIO ATTUALE DELLA POLITICA EUROPEA E' LETTERALMENTE FALLITO
The muddle-through approach to the eurozone crisis has failed to resolve the fundamental problems of economic and competitiveness divergence within the union. If this continues the euro will move towards disorderly debt workouts, and eventually a break-up of the monetary union itself, as some of the weaker members crash out.
L'UNIONE MONETARIA EUROPEA NON E' MAI STATA OTTIMALE, LA VOLUTA CONVERGENZA ...SI E' TRADOTTA, ALL'OPPOSTO IN DIVERGENZA
The Economic and Monetary Union never fully satisfied the conditions for an optimal currency area. Instead its leaders hoped that their lack of monetary, fiscal and exchange rate policies would in turn see an acceleration of structural reforms. These, it was hoped, would see productivity and growth rates converge.
I BASSI INTERESSI HANNO PERMESSO AGLI STATI PERIFERICI DI AUMENTARE LA SPESA (ITALIA) IN MANIERA SCONSIDERATA e gonfiare bolle immobiliari a sostegno di tale politica di spesa. IL RISULTATO: PERDITA DI COMPETITIVITA' DEGLI STATI PERIFERICI
The reality turned out to be different. Paradoxically the halo effect of early interest rate convergence allowed a greater divergence in fiscal policies. A reckless lack of discipline in countries such as Greece and Portugal was matched only by the build-up of asset bubbles in others like Spain and Ireland. Structural reforms were delayed, while wage growth relative to productivity growth diverged. The result was a loss of competitiveness on the periphery.
IL PENSARE CHE LE TASSE PAGATE DAI TEDESCHI VENGANO USATE PER AIUTARE I PAESI EUROPEI PIU' DEBOLI IN ASSENZA DI UN CONTROLLO POLITICO SULLE NAZIONI CHE DEVONO ESSERE AIUTATE E' UTOPIA ALLO STATO PURO!
All successful monetary unions have eventually been associated with a political and fiscal union. But European moves toward political union have stalled, while moves towards fiscal union would require significant federal central revenues, and also the widespread issuance of euro bonds — where the taxes of German (and other core) taxpayers are not backstopping only their country’s debt but also the debt of the members of the periphery. Core taxpayers are unlikely to accept this.
Eurozone debt reduction or “reprofiling” will help to resolve the issue of excessive debt in some insolvent economies. But it will do nothing to restore economic convergence, which requires the restoration of competitiveness convergence. Without this the periphery will simply stagnate.
LE OPZIONI SONO LIMITATE:
1) L'EURO PUO' ESSERE LASCIATO CROLLARE (oggi è l'opposto)ma i tedeschi non ne vogliono sapere (INFLAZIONE)
Here the options are limited. The euro could fall sharply in value towards – say – parity with the US dollar, to restore competitiveness to the periphery; but a sharp fall of the euro is unlikely given the trade strength of Germany and the hawkish policies of the European Central Bank.
2)LE RIFORME PER AUMENTARE LA PRODUTTIVITA': NON FUNZIONA IN QUANTO OCCOREREBBERO ALMENO 10 ANNI E NON C'E' TUTTO QUESTO TEMPO
The German route — reforms to increase productivity growth and keep a lid on wage growth — will not work either. In the short run such reforms actually tend to reduce growth and it took more than a decade for Germany to restore its competitiveness, a horizon that is way too long for periphery economies that need growth soon.
3) DEFLAZIONE ma questo porterebbe a una recessione violenta e il debito statale non la sopporterebbe
Deflation is a third option, but this is also associated with persistent recession. Argentina tried this route, but after three years of an ever deepening slump it gave up, and decided to default and exit its currency board peg. Even if deflation was achieved, the balance sheet effect would increase the real burden of private and public debts. All the talk by the ECB and the European Union of an internal depreciation is thus faulty, while the necessary fiscal austerity still has – in the short run – a negative effect on growth.
LA SOLUZIONE PIU' SEMPLICE: LA ROTTURA DELL'EURO
So given these three options are unlikely, there is really only one other way to restore competitiveness and growth on the periphery: leave the euro, go back to national currencies and achieve a massive nominal and real depreciation. After all, in all those emerging market financial crises that restored growth a move to flexible exchange rates was necessary and unavoidable on top of official liquidity, austerity and reform and, in some cases, debt restructuring and reduction.
Of course today the idea of leaving the euro is treated as inconceivable, even in Athens and Lisbon. Exit would impose big trade losses on the rest of the eurozone, via major real depreciation and capital losses on the creditor core, in much the same way as Argentina’s “pesification” of its dollar debt did during its last crisis.
Yet scenarios that are treated as inconceivable today may not be so far-fetched five years from now, especially if some of the periphery economies stagnate. The eurozone was glued together by the convergence of low real interest rates sustaining growth, the hope that reforms could maintain convergence; and the prospect of eventual fiscal and political union. But now convergence is gone, reform is stalled, while fiscal and political union is a distant dream.
Debt restructuring will happen. The question is when (sooner or later) and how (orderly or disorderly). But even debt reduction will not be sufficient to restore competitiveness and growth. Yet if this cannot be achieved, the option of exiting the monetary union will become dominant: the benefits of staying in will be lower than the benefits of exiting, however bumpy or disorderly that exit may end up being.
RIPETO..ROUBINI HA ANTICIPATO LA PRIMA CRISI ECONOMICA NEL 2007..E SE ORA, DA BUON AMERICANO (anche se un po' italiano) SOTTOVALUTASSE I PROBLEMI IN EUROPA DANDO 3 -5 ANNI PER DECIDERE?
The muddle-through approach to the eurozone crisis has failed to resolve the fundamental problems of economic and competitiveness divergence within the union. If this continues the euro will move towards disorderly debt workouts, and eventually a break-up of the monetary union itself, as some of the weaker members crash out.
L'UNIONE MONETARIA EUROPEA NON E' MAI STATA OTTIMALE, LA VOLUTA CONVERGENZA ...SI E' TRADOTTA, ALL'OPPOSTO IN DIVERGENZA
The Economic and Monetary Union never fully satisfied the conditions for an optimal currency area. Instead its leaders hoped that their lack of monetary, fiscal and exchange rate policies would in turn see an acceleration of structural reforms. These, it was hoped, would see productivity and growth rates converge.
I BASSI INTERESSI HANNO PERMESSO AGLI STATI PERIFERICI DI AUMENTARE LA SPESA (ITALIA) IN MANIERA SCONSIDERATA e gonfiare bolle immobiliari a sostegno di tale politica di spesa. IL RISULTATO: PERDITA DI COMPETITIVITA' DEGLI STATI PERIFERICI
The reality turned out to be different. Paradoxically the halo effect of early interest rate convergence allowed a greater divergence in fiscal policies. A reckless lack of discipline in countries such as Greece and Portugal was matched only by the build-up of asset bubbles in others like Spain and Ireland. Structural reforms were delayed, while wage growth relative to productivity growth diverged. The result was a loss of competitiveness on the periphery.
IL PENSARE CHE LE TASSE PAGATE DAI TEDESCHI VENGANO USATE PER AIUTARE I PAESI EUROPEI PIU' DEBOLI IN ASSENZA DI UN CONTROLLO POLITICO SULLE NAZIONI CHE DEVONO ESSERE AIUTATE E' UTOPIA ALLO STATO PURO!
All successful monetary unions have eventually been associated with a political and fiscal union. But European moves toward political union have stalled, while moves towards fiscal union would require significant federal central revenues, and also the widespread issuance of euro bonds — where the taxes of German (and other core) taxpayers are not backstopping only their country’s debt but also the debt of the members of the periphery. Core taxpayers are unlikely to accept this.
Eurozone debt reduction or “reprofiling” will help to resolve the issue of excessive debt in some insolvent economies. But it will do nothing to restore economic convergence, which requires the restoration of competitiveness convergence. Without this the periphery will simply stagnate.
LE OPZIONI SONO LIMITATE:
1) L'EURO PUO' ESSERE LASCIATO CROLLARE (oggi è l'opposto)ma i tedeschi non ne vogliono sapere (INFLAZIONE)
Here the options are limited. The euro could fall sharply in value towards – say – parity with the US dollar, to restore competitiveness to the periphery; but a sharp fall of the euro is unlikely given the trade strength of Germany and the hawkish policies of the European Central Bank.
2)LE RIFORME PER AUMENTARE LA PRODUTTIVITA': NON FUNZIONA IN QUANTO OCCOREREBBERO ALMENO 10 ANNI E NON C'E' TUTTO QUESTO TEMPO
The German route — reforms to increase productivity growth and keep a lid on wage growth — will not work either. In the short run such reforms actually tend to reduce growth and it took more than a decade for Germany to restore its competitiveness, a horizon that is way too long for periphery economies that need growth soon.
3) DEFLAZIONE ma questo porterebbe a una recessione violenta e il debito statale non la sopporterebbe
Deflation is a third option, but this is also associated with persistent recession. Argentina tried this route, but after three years of an ever deepening slump it gave up, and decided to default and exit its currency board peg. Even if deflation was achieved, the balance sheet effect would increase the real burden of private and public debts. All the talk by the ECB and the European Union of an internal depreciation is thus faulty, while the necessary fiscal austerity still has – in the short run – a negative effect on growth.
LA SOLUZIONE PIU' SEMPLICE: LA ROTTURA DELL'EURO
So given these three options are unlikely, there is really only one other way to restore competitiveness and growth on the periphery: leave the euro, go back to national currencies and achieve a massive nominal and real depreciation. After all, in all those emerging market financial crises that restored growth a move to flexible exchange rates was necessary and unavoidable on top of official liquidity, austerity and reform and, in some cases, debt restructuring and reduction.
Of course today the idea of leaving the euro is treated as inconceivable, even in Athens and Lisbon. Exit would impose big trade losses on the rest of the eurozone, via major real depreciation and capital losses on the creditor core, in much the same way as Argentina’s “pesification” of its dollar debt did during its last crisis.
Yet scenarios that are treated as inconceivable today may not be so far-fetched five years from now, especially if some of the periphery economies stagnate. The eurozone was glued together by the convergence of low real interest rates sustaining growth, the hope that reforms could maintain convergence; and the prospect of eventual fiscal and political union. But now convergence is gone, reform is stalled, while fiscal and political union is a distant dream.
Debt restructuring will happen. The question is when (sooner or later) and how (orderly or disorderly). But even debt reduction will not be sufficient to restore competitiveness and growth. Yet if this cannot be achieved, the option of exiting the monetary union will become dominant: the benefits of staying in will be lower than the benefits of exiting, however bumpy or disorderly that exit may end up being.
RIPETO..ROUBINI HA ANTICIPATO LA PRIMA CRISI ECONOMICA NEL 2007..E SE ORA, DA BUON AMERICANO (anche se un po' italiano) SOTTOVALUTASSE I PROBLEMI IN EUROPA DANDO 3 -5 ANNI PER DECIDERE?
ROUBINI SUL FINANCIAL TIME AVVISA: EUROPA PRONTA ALLA SPACCATURA!
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8 commenti:
Con riferimento alla situazione della Grecia, il problema é che non si puó dichiarare di voler aiutare un paese in difficoltá e poi prestargli soldi a strozzo.
Con la Grecia l'UE agisce, ne' piu' ne' meno, come le banche nei confronti dei debitori subprime.
L'UE dovrebbe pretendere dalla Grecia un piano per il rientro del deficit e del debito pubblico dopodiché dovrebbe concedere un prestito al TUR BCE e stabilire una scadenza certa e improrogabile al termine della quale, o la Grecia ha rispettato i patti e messo i conti a posto, altrimenti va in default automaticamente.
Il prestito non dovrebbe essere computato nell'ammontare del deficit né in quello del debito dei paesi creditori.
non penso che ci rimetteranno gli americani(con i default e il rimborso dei cds) o le banche europee(impelagate con vari strumenti finanziari nei piigs)quindi il fardello del debito lo paghera' il cittadino con l'inflazione o qualche altro artificio contabile.Penso inoltre che le borse possano salire,tanto i tioli sono relativi a societa' che operano in tutte le nazioni ,anzi in molti casi queste societa'se ne guardano bene dall'investire in europa
aelban
paradossalmente in tutto questo chaos le azioni sono forse gli investimenti piu' sicuri assieme agli immobili ,alla delocalizzazione e all'oro(sempre che qualche nazione non apra i caveaux per coprire i debiti)
aelban
buongiorno
il discorso non è se fallirà o non fallirà ma ormai solamente quando..
quando banche italiane tedesche francesi ..insomma europee avranno ricapitalizzato (sempre a spese dei cittadini) e scaricato più sporcizia possibile come fu fatto con Lehman..volenti o nolenti la situazione è la stessa..una banca o un paese sono per la finanza solamente quattrini e a pagare il conto il popolo
100% default.. solo questione di tempo. ma l euro sopravviverà.
la soluzione come ho spesso detto dovrebbe essere un haircut soppesato per ogni singolo piigs ovvero alto haircut per grecia e portogallo (attorno al 50%)e basso per italia e spagna (max 15-20%) .Germania e francia non possono svalutare troppo l'italia e la spagna perche avrebbero dei concorrenti intra euro troppo forti nelle manifatture mentre svalutare maggiormente grecia e portogallo sarebbe un problema minore in quanto sono inoffensivi e da comprare a sconto con un haircut alto (solo turismo e agroalimentare ), ora che Ben li ha inondati di dollari le loro banche sono al sicuro da qualsiasi haircut. la germania dai tempi di Weimer ìe dalla riforma valutaria del 48 teme come la peste l'inflazione e giustamente svalutare come dovrebbe l'euro porterebbe ad un inflazione nei primi anni insostenibile Luib
La famosa doppia inculata, la prima volta per entrare nell'euro e la seconda per uscire
certamente Roubini merita grande rispetto per aver previsto la crisi finanziaria 2007-2009 con grande precisione, ma vorrei ricordare che nessuno è infallibile e consiglio di andarvi a leggere cosa diceva un anno fa relativamente a dollaro ed euro: http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/notizie/2010-06-05/intervista-roubini-euro-parita-154200.shtml?uuid=AYkToIwB
Roberto (TO)
Un economista, non azzecca mai 2 pronostici di fila.
Vive ancora di rendita x aver predetto la crisi.
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